tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16851183.post6842908222588857512..comments2024-03-09T11:28:35.351+00:00Comments on My Side of the Story: Hudud in MalaysiaMadeku367http://www.blogger.com/profile/04748085300370518908noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16851183.post-91181211836470330882014-06-19T09:33:26.366+01:002014-06-19T09:33:26.366+01:00Of course we should fear Allah's punishment in...Of course we should fear Allah's punishment in afterlife. Fear for some, but if you really understand Islam, it wont be fear anymore. It would be love. Maybe it started with fear. Then it changes to love. How? Because you start thinking why the punishments of hudud is so "cruel"? Or is it that Allah is trying to prevent us from doing it, out of love for you? If you drink alcohol, it would destroy you and even the people around you. So Allah wants you to avoid it. To get involved with someone's wife is something intriguing for some but it would be destructive to you, your family, her family. Would end up in death as well if her husband finds out and call his gang. So i hope you get my point.<br /><br />I am in no way insulting anyone's logic. You should understand and take the whole picture holistically.Madeku367https://www.blogger.com/profile/04748085300370518908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16851183.post-11403196309205394002014-06-16T17:15:26.765+01:002014-06-16T17:15:26.765+01:00to jeg hui,
u said "Islam is about love"...to jeg hui,<br /><br />u said "Islam is about love", if that is the case then why don't you "love god" instead of "fear god"? did He command u to fear Him? i think not. Allah, however, did mention in the Quran to "serve Him". <br />therefore, promoting justice is in serving Him. the example given by norlina is quite accurate "the stealing boy". if u cut off his hands, when he has potential to do good, is that justice? under hudud, rape is also a crime. however, the victims need to produce 4 witnesses who witnessed the act of raping at the time of incident. the witnesses must also be a man in order to be eligible. now hold on a sec. u need 4 men as ur witnesses. n they were supposed to hv witnessed(watched) u being raped? r u insulting my logic? do rapes done in public??? where a lot of people hv the opportunity to witness the act?? seriously?? where do the victims find such witnesses?? is this justice? does ur Rabb agree with this law? i dont think so..<br />n if u're saying that it is merely a preventive law, try hv a look at civil law on matters involving drugs. under the penal code, possession of drugs carry the punishment of death by hanging. <br />well i see that it is the same kind of punishment that would be implemented by hudud. however, this punishment still do not prevent men from taking drugs. so i'm saying that if men want to do something, they will do it regardless of the consequences.<br />n another thing is regarding apostasy/murtad or call it whatever u want. did Allah condemn those apostates to death? i thought He said in al-Kafiruun "o disbelievers, i dont believe in what u believe. n ur not a believer in what i believe. nor i a believer in what u believe. nor u a believer in what i believe.for u is ur religion, for me is my religion." this is what He said. Allah did not condemn apostates to their death. He let them go in peace. would He bother with those who dont want His help? Allah is Everything.<br />i just wanted to share my opinion because being someone new to islam, one needs to find the truths behind every human lies..think about it :)ezaddin aleyyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16851183.post-22987218556957551992014-05-20T13:16:34.630+01:002014-05-20T13:16:34.630+01:00Dear Norlinah,
Thank You for your comment. May I ...Dear Norlinah,<br /><br />Thank You for your comment. May I know if you are still with Islam? Don't worry I am not trying to kill you or something but I wanted to understand from where you are coming from with your arguments.<br /><br />Our country is not lawless but the evidence of sporadic crimes show that the law is not strict enough. So Hudud is the answer. If it is good enough, it would be safe to be around Malaysia without snatch thieves, peras ugut, bunuh, rogol, rompak, buang baby etc.<br /><br />Islam is about love. Not just Christianity if you know what Im saying.<br /><br />I feel that you have issues with Islam hence your comments here.Madeku367https://www.blogger.com/profile/04748085300370518908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16851183.post-11538116141966639642014-05-16T07:13:37.693+01:002014-05-16T07:13:37.693+01:00there *theythere *theyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16851183.post-91306718827397004442014-05-16T07:11:43.179+01:002014-05-16T07:11:43.179+01:00Jeg Hui dear....You are saying as if our country i...Jeg Hui dear....You are saying as if our country is lawless.Civil law is good enough. We don't need another law. <br />We are Malaysian, multi racial and faiths. <br /><br />I believe the basic of all religion is about love, compassion and forgiveness. Chopping hands and stoning to death in hudud is inhumane. Devils love cruelty. There are getting smarter. Think!<br /><br />*Norlinah. OrchidUnggu is my google account's name. Masking my identity? Judging again...hmmmm. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16851183.post-70774568458591596122014-05-16T05:53:23.076+01:002014-05-16T05:53:23.076+01:00Dear OrkidUngu,
Many thanks for your comments. Bt...Dear OrkidUngu,<br /><br />Many thanks for your comments. Btw, it is Jeg Hui not Jeng, although thats quite a common mistake.<br /><br />I presume you are the same person as Norlina here I dunno why the need to mask your identity. <br /><br />It is indeed not for me to judge, but a learned Muslim knows that stealing, robbing, taking or giving bribes is bad. But hey Syariah law, hudud is also about forgiveness, and you have ignored that part in this article. If the property owner forgives the kid, or if the court considers some facts and agree that the kid should not have his hands cut off, the kid has a chance to redeem.<br /><br />In a case where the kid is poor, he had to steal bread for his younger siblings, surely he would escape punishment.<br /><br />But if he is an armed robber, who raped, killed and loot, surely a death penalty is looming for him. No chance.<br /><br />Yes, I cannot judge. But the victims can judge. Given opportunity to be a syariah judge, I can judge.<br /><br />About apostasy, go find the meaning of renegade. To me, only renegades should face the death penalty. This is according to Quraan and hadith.<br /><br />Sudan, saudi arabia, brunei (which i dunno from where u quote their rule)... those are not of my interest. I am a Malaysian. Hudud is the answer for escalating crimes in Malaysia. <br /><br />People talk about using fear to rule. If the punishment for raping and killing you is merely picking up fruits in Malacca (or jail time like you think thats fair), so think again. Especially when it involves you, your family, your closed friends etc.Madeku367https://www.blogger.com/profile/04748085300370518908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16851183.post-33233655076935461962014-05-16T05:50:33.736+01:002014-05-16T05:50:33.736+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Madeku367https://www.blogger.com/profile/04748085300370518908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16851183.post-36026237477388788862014-05-15T12:29:40.689+01:002014-05-15T12:29:40.689+01:00Dear Norlina,
Your name sounds like a Muslim name...Dear Norlina,<br /><br />Your name sounds like a Muslim name but I presume you are not a Muslim.<br /><br />So because you seem not to understand (or refuse to understand) this article, I will have to answer your queries in a quite witty way.<br /><br />Yes, it is a preventive law and the boy won't dare to steal if he fear God. As a Muslim I dont feel manipulated at all. I fear Allah. I fear the repurcussion of committing a crime. So the boy won't even steal at the first place if Hudud is in place.<br /><br />There is no such punishment for apostasy as per the Quraan in Hudud, as far as I know. You must have been confused with Qisas and Hudud.<br /><br />Apostasy, something Nurul Izzah condones in a talk in a church, is a crime in Islam when the apostates start attacking Islam left, right, front and back. Same goes it is a crime to ridicule Buddha, Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism according to Islam.<br /><br />Anything else you dont understand?Madeku367https://www.blogger.com/profile/04748085300370518908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16851183.post-57562198881721624022014-05-15T12:20:42.020+01:002014-05-15T12:20:42.020+01:00That's how you choose to see it because you ar...That's how you choose to see it because you are a muslim and you think you cannot have a different opinion or Allah will punish you. Talking about fear orientated religion. The easiest way to manipulate people is with fear. <br /><br />From my perspective, hudud is cruel. How can you say that hudud is more of a preventive law? Do you mean that because it is so horrible that it will frightened people from committing crime? Lets see if a 15year old boy caught stealing...and his hand will be cut..then he commit the same offence again then he lost another...how on earth will he live his life in the future with no hands? Go to handicapped special training and do what? He can't even weave a basket with no hands! Is it allowed under hudud law if the boy hands were replaced with bionic hands by the doctors? Or is he supposed to live with no hands for the rest of his life as a punishment for the crime he commited when he was young and stupid. Look like this boy's future in a hudud law country will be bleak. How about in the case of apostasy? It is Death under hudud for not believing in Allah anymore! How is apostasy a crime? Not believing in something that is invisible is a crime?? Norlinanoreply@blogger.com